Hutch Carpenter, almost Weinberg's exact opposite as an enterprise engineering platform executive and a dad in San Francisco, says he sees it that way too.

旧金山的哈奇·卡彭特（Hutch Carpenter ）是一家企业的工程平台主管，已经当了爸爸，正好跟温伯格相对，他说他也是这样认为的。